Is it possible to annotate links in Hypothes.is that are in the Internet Archive? My browser bookmarklet for it doesn’t work on such archived pages. I can imagine that there are several javascript or iframe related technical reasons for it. An information related reason may be that bringing together different annotations from different annotators is hard, as they might al be annotating a different archived version of the same page.
Yet in some cases this would be very useful to be able to do. For instance, Manfred Kuehns blog was discontinued in 2018, and more recently removed entirely from Blogspot where it was hosted. The archived versions are the only current source for those blogpostings. This means there is no ‘original’ page online anymore to gather the annotations around.
I see Chris Aldrich has annotated posts from that same weblog by Kuehn, maybe he can shed some light on it.
The ability to annotate archived material on the Internet Archive with Hypothes.is is definitely possible, and I do it from time to time. I’m not sure which browser or annotation tool (via, browser extensions, other) you’re using, but it’s possible that one or more combinations may have issues allowing you to do it or not. The standard browser extension on Chrome has worked well for me in the past.
Hypothes.is has methods for establishing document equivalency which archive.org apparently conforms. I did an academic experiment a few years back with an NYT article about books where you’ll see equivalent annotations on the original, the archived version, and a copy on my own site that has a
rel="canonical"link back to the original as well:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/books/obamas-secret-to-surviving-the-white-house-years-books.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20170119220705/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/books/obamas-secret-to-surviving-the-white-house-years-books.html
https://boffosocko.com/2017/01/19/obamas-secret-to-surviving-the-white-house-years-books-the-new-york-times/
I don’t recommend doing the rel-canonical trick on your own site frequently as I have noticed a bug, which I don’t think has been fixed.
The careful technologist with one tool or another, will see that I and a couple others have been occasionally delving into the archive and annotating Manfred Kuehn’s work. (I see at least one annotation from 2016, which was probably native on his original site before it was shut down in 2018.) I’ve found some great gems and leads into some historical work from his old site. In particular, he’s got some translations from German texts that I haven’t seen in other places.
Thanks Chris, it might be my Firefox browser add-on playing up then. Good to know the standard caters for this use case. Will explore.
@ton The ability to annotate archived material on the Internet Archive with Hypothes.is is definitely possible, and I do it from time to time. I’m not sure which browser or annotation tool (via, browser extensions, other) you’re using, but it’s possible that one or more combinations may have issues allowing you to do it or not. The standard browser extension on Chrome has worked well for me in the past. more:https://boffosocko.com/2022/08/14/55808370/
| Chris Aldrich
I now understand you wanted to annotate them at the archive. That might not be a good idea.
There are many articles in the Archive that no longer exist on their original URL (such as the blog mentioned above in the posting). There are also many articles that no longer exist in the same way on their original URL, where the Archive holds those earlier versions. This includes changes that aren’t well intended. I regularly send articles to the Archive where I think the originating site might later have reasons to pretend they never posted it.
This is a great point and use case – I often worry about content I care about and have spent time thinking about disappearing. I run my own archive using ArchiveBox. I see that the Hypothes.is bookmarklet seems to work for archive.org but only in chrome. Also, it doesn’t play nice with archivebox yet. I might have to see if I can get it working at some point.