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Orkut and the failure of social networking platforms

Martin Roell reflects on the shortcomings of Orkut, and utters reservations I wholeheartedly agree with. The same goes for Ryze, LinkedIn and others.

In an attempt to do something with the suggestions Martin gives to Orkut, I have added a flag to the people in my blogroll to indicate whether I've met them face to face. Let me know if you think this is something usefull, or if you have ideas how to improve on that. Feedback in the comments, Skype or via the e-mail address mentioned on the left.

[Update] Also see this post by Lee Bryant.

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Excerpt: Ton's Interdependent Thoughts: Orkut and the failure of social networking platforms hit my aggregator at the same time that David Galbraith's Should sites like Orkut own your profile did. Tom's entry pointed me at friend Martin's entry Playing around w...
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Tracked: January 25, 2004 09:37 PM

There is a field for "have met" in the XFN specification (which seems to be a simple FOAF-like thing that can be used in blogrolls). Maybe that's interesting to markup your blogroll. I need to look at it more closely.

Posted by: Martin Roell at January 25, 2004 02:12 PM

I share your and Martin's concerns about these networks. Ecademy in particular seems to have succcumbed to networking for its own sake. With LinkedIn I'm careful to link to people I feel I have some depth of connection. Your f strategy is interesting and is at least objective and less embarrasing than the binary ratings that Martin criticises.

Posted by: John Moore at January 25, 2004 02:39 PM

Great idea! I would only add an explanation what (f) means :)

It's already there: at the end of the blogroll. Ton

Posted by: Lilia at January 25, 2004 08:49 PM

RE: social networking platforms...

I agree completely that the simple binary "friend" setting of many sites, or Ecademy's "rated good" is woefully inadequate as a reputation system. I give Orkut credit for at least attempting some degree of granularity of reputation, but agree that it falls way short and can be easily manipulated.

But I think the whole idea that we are EXPECTING these representations of relationship strength to be meaningful and useful misses the mark completely. Do we really want to objectify relationships that much? How would that really be useful?

What's USEFUL are the endorsements on LinkedIn. What's USEFUL are the occasional endorsements that people post in Ryze guestbooks. What's USEFUL is being able to cc: people on in-system private messages (a major shortcoming of Ryze, btw), so that you can make introductions.

Personally, I find reputation systems of any kind an intriguing intellectual exercise, but I will put far more weight in one or two endorsements from people I know and trust than I will EVER put in some sort of metric.

Also, while I find it intriguing to know that someone has met someone else face-to-face, I disagree with the idea that it somehow makes it a "better" connection. I run a local Ryze group, and I have a number of people who have come to that event, so I've met them face-to-face. However, my book co-author, David Teten, I've been working with for almost a year and have still not met face-to-face, but I'd trust him with my life (I've certainly entrusted him with my financial future!)

I have dozens of other people I've collaborated or done business with who I would place a much higher recommendation on than many I've met in person, including many of the people to the left!

Posted by: Scott Allen at January 31, 2004 09:02 AM

Ich have made my Blogroll XFN-Friendly now. It seems that you could use XFN and CSS to get the effect of the "(f)" that you have added to your Blogroll. See http://gmpg.org/xfn/intro (scroll down to "Relationship Styling") on the part on XFN and here on how to add an image behind some text by using CSS.

Posted by: Martin Roell at February 3, 2004 11:51 PM

Too much multilingual blogging today. You didn't notice my mistake in my last comment, did you? ;-)

Posted by: Martin Roell at February 4, 2004 12:13 AM

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